5/7/2023 0 Comments Docear default size changesWikipedia:WikiProject RISC OS was recently created. If anyone objects it will have to go to AfD again. Aggplanta ( talk) 19:50, 12 April 2011 (UTC) Splendid! Then I will just turn this article into a redirect to Audit Record Generation and Utilization System. Ruud 17:15, 27 January 2011 (UTC) In fact, it seems you were to only person proposing to keep the article the previous time causing the non-consensus? - Ruud 17:20, 27 January 2011 (UTC) There is an article about Argus (1). Hans Adler 22:38, 26 January 2011 (UTC) Your explanation sounds perfectly clear to me, so I would suggest just renominating it for deletion. But I would like to avoid this because it's bound to lead to confusion. If nobody wants to rewrite the article, it should simply go to AfD again. I don't have the time to rewrite the article right now, and anyway, it should be easier for someone who is experienced with writing software or who knows this software. That's what our article is about, and it survived an AfD in 2009 due to confusion with (1). Last time I looked it was not discussed in a single reliable source. Argus (2) is a free network monitoring application written in Perl, distributed under a licence that does not permit redistribution of modified software.It is discussed in a number of reliable sources but does not have a Wikipedia article. Argus (1) is a GPLed network monitoring application written in C."Argus" is an obvious name for network monitoring software, so it's no surprise that it was used (probably independently) for two completely independent applications: I know it sounds crazy, but that's precisely what we need to do here. Remaining issues are being discussed on the talk page of WikiProject Computer science. Kvng ( talk) 15:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the clarification I've started editing. The article definitely needs improvement. Kevin Baas talk 16:06, 20 January 2011 (UTC) Welcome to Wikipedia! You are now a member of the "yourselves" to which you refer. Should I just go ahead and start editing, or would you prefer to edit it yourselves? - UKoch ( talk) 15:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC) just go ahead and edit it. I'm a computer scientist with a special interest in parsing. I'm not sure how to go about editing the article, since it's in the scope of WikiProject Computing and WikiProject Computer science. Also, something could be done about the introductory sentence. If the material is from external sources, those should be acknowledged. It seems to me that the "References" and "External links" sections should be at the bottom of the page, and the section that now follows them should be wikified (section headings and such). I'd like to edit the Operator-precedence grammar article. I normally do a prod instead of asking for a quick deletion but yes this one does look like quick deletion was appropriate. Pnm ( talk) 15:10, 11 January 2011 (UTC) Oh yes sorry that's what I should have said. It's unlikely to be controversial, and it saves you and others a lot of work. Gonzonoir ( talk) 14:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC) Try a WP:Proposed deletion first. I'll go to AfD with the article if nothing we could use to salvage it is forthcoming soon. Well, consider this part of my compliance with WP:BEFORE. The onus is on someone to establish it is worth keeping if they want it, not on other editors to prove it should be removed. Gonzonoir ( talk) 14:27, 11 January 2011 (UTC) Wikipedia:Translation says "Wikipedia consensus is that an unedited machine translation, left as a Wikipedia article, is worse than nothing", which various discussions on the village pump confirms. If anyone here is able to write (at least) a one-sentence lead explaining what this subject is, we can at least use that to check for notability and sources more effectively than is possible from the title alone. Dmcq ( talk) 14:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC) That would be my hunch I just don't want to write an AfD rationale that boils down to "I don't understand what this article is on about" if that's a function of my ignorance rather than of the article's lack of clarity. Notability hasn't been established and it looks unlikely it ever will be. Gonzonoir ( talk) 13:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC) Having had a quick look at it the next step is WP:AfD. Googling the title has produced nothing apparently relevant. Does anyone recognise the concept? The text references encryption, but I can't tell whether it is supposed to be a method, a tool, or something else. My A1 speedy deletion tagging of this article was declined, so you're my next hope of determining what this (apparently machine-translated) article is about.
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